Me and Mr Jones – the Howard Jones interview

Life Story: Howard Jones, set to tour the UK with his piano

Life Story: Howard Jones, all set to tour the UK, just with his piano this time

Can it really be more than 30 years since Howard Jones first arrived on our TV screens, with that cutaway t-shirt and distinctive split-level dyed-blond spiky hair, amid a bank of synthesisers performing New Song on Top of the Pops?

You may have been distracted by his face-painted and chained dancing buddy, mime artist Jed Hoile, who was also worrying commuters at Holborn tube station in the accompanying promo video (and who was rubbish with a broom in the school corridor scene before his mate instigated a rather unlikely pupils’ mutiny).

Either way, Howard more or less set out his manifesto in that debut single, calling on us to challenge our pre-conceived ideas, see both sides, and throw off our mental chains. Not that the music press were impressed, seeing this Hampshire-born lad of Welsh parentage as just the latest 15-minute pop fame sensation.

I confess that I probably felt the same way. The synth-heavy feel of those records was not what this post-punk teen was about at the time. Listening back though, I realise the songs are there beneath the often-dated production. And there’s no doubting Howard’s musical ability, with Hide and Seek a prime example. Just watch him perform that on Freddie Mercury’s Steinway at Wembley Stadium for Live Aid in 1985 and feel the goosebumps when the chorus comes in.

But Howard was no overnight success, having devoted half of his 28 years then to his music. And as it turns out he had true staying power, this master of his art still out there, still performing, still recording. What’s more, having spoken to him I can reveal – maybe not exclusively – that he’s an all-round nice bloke too.

New Song brought Howard a top-three UK hit at the first time of asking, one of 10 top-40 singles, six making the top 10. Tree decades on that track was used in a pivotal scene in Breaking Bad, as Aaron Paul’s character Jessie Pinkman questions if he wants to ‘play by the rules’. And that suggests he somehow surpassed his allotted quarter-hour shelf-life.

He might not have been a music press darling, but Howard’s first three albums, Humans Lib (1984), Dream into Action, (1985) and One to One (1986) were all top-10 hits, the first going double-platinum and the other two gold in the UK. In fact, he saw major commercial success all over the world (the second LP going platinum in Canada, the US and Japan, among other markets).

Howard+Jones+New+Song+550366From New Song, What is Love? and Hide and Seek to Pearl In The Shell, Like to Get To Know You Well onwards, Howard proved his pop craft, going on to sell more than eight million albums across the globe, and becoming one of the select group of British artists who comprehensively ‘broke America’.

Fast forward a bit and last year he introduced us to his Engage project via a Pledge Music campaign, a CD/DVD/HD/HJ experience incorporating many of his on-going passions – from a love of classical music, electronica and pop to cinematic sound and vision, providing a platform for contemporary dance and ballet, all under-pinned by his own brand of philosophy and regard for elements of the works of Einstein, Ikeda (not to be confused with the Scandinavian furnisher), Kierkegaard, Thoreau and Tolstoy.

This committed Buddhist’s message then wasn’t so far off that initial call to arms either – encouraging respect for all, to live in the moment, defeat cynicism and promote universal brotherhood and sisterhood. Right on. If it sounds like I’m not being totally straight-faced when I write that, I should add that there’s nothing not to like there. Perhaps I just want to get over that Howard’s got a nice sense of humour about him too – this isn’t po-faced, homespun rhetoric. As I suggested before, he’s one of life’s good guys.

Now, all these years after launching Human’s Lib, he’s out there again with his latest solo show – An Evening with Howard Jones (The Songs, The Piano & The Stories), offering an intimate trip through his 30-year career. What’s more, many of his best-known songs were composed on the piano, and in his acoustic show he shares behind-the-scenes tales and reveals the inspiration behind many of those hits.

Howard may be tucked away in Somerset when he’s off the road these days, but – three weeks away from his 61st birthday – he’s certainly not gone down the retirement route, as I found out when I caught him on the phone at his country pad near Taunton, where he moved around a decade ago. And it turns out that life’s pretty good for a man who looks out on the Somerset Levels from his home studio between live engagements.

“It’s certainly a beautiful place to live. A bit far from Heathrow, that’s the only thing – it takes me about two and a half hours. But it’s always great when you get back.”

Married for more than 30 years to Jan, who he met while teaching piano, he’s clearly a devoted family man too.

“Family is really important to me. We’ve got three children, and they’re all in their 20s now, off doing their own thing.”

Any of them following your lead into music?

“No, but they’re all involved in creative industries.”

Are your brothers (Howard’s the oldest of four, with the younger three in their own band, Red Beat, back in the day) still playing?

“Well, they don’t make their living from music. They have other things they do.”

MI0003559887Have you looked back into your family history to see where this affinity with music came from?

“Oh yes. I think it’s quite clear through the Welsh heritage. My grandparents used to sing and members of their family would play piano and were organists at the local chapel. It’s absolutely embedded in the family culture.”

Talking of which, Howard – whose family headed to the Cardiff area not long after his birth, with a later move to Buckinghamshire then a spell in Canada – has toured with Swansea’s Morriston Orpheus Choir before now.

“That’s right. One of my uncles was in that choir, and I went down to ask if they’d be happy to sing along with my songs, giving a bit of a sales pitch in front of all these amazing Welshmen. It was a real moment – fantastic!”

You can’t beat the sound of a good male voice choir, not least a Welsh or a Cornish one.

“That’s true. It stirs the heart, especially men singing – it’s so powerful.”

When you started playing piano did you have something at home to practise on?

“I did. My parents bought an old piano. I think it was 20 quid, a bit rough. But there was a point where we came back from Canada and didn’t, and I told them we needed one. They were really hard up at the time but I made them go to a second-hand shop in Oxford to buy one, kind of giving them an ultimatum. I feel really bad about it now, but I suppose it paid off in the end.”

Was that family move to Canada band work-related?

“It was. My Dad got a job out there and we all emigrated, came back, then emigrated again, but then came back again!”

All good practise for the travelling you were about to embark on in your professional career, I guess.

“It was!”

The Nice: Keith Emerson, Lee Jackson, Brian Davison, David O'List (Photo from the private collection of Davy O'List, courtesy of http://www.slate.com/)

The Nice: Keith Emerson, Lee Jackson, Brian Davison, David O’List (Photo from the private collection of Davy O’List, courtesy of http://www.slate.com/)

The music was always there, and I believe your first band played a bit of prog rock. Who were you listening to around then?

“My first proper band was called Warrior, and I was very influenced by Keith Emerson’s first band, The Nice. That whole idea of combining classical music with rock was right up my street. I absolutely adored those albums. Emerson was a huge influence – he made keyboard playing exciting. He didn’t just sit there at the back, he was the front-man. That was crucial for me. He was like the Hendrix of the keyboard!”

Howard, who started to learn piano at the age of seven, enrolled at the Royal Northern College of Music in Manchester in 1974, aged 19. Did he enjoy his time there?

“I did. I didn’t stay the distance though. It was a four-year course and I stayed two and a half years, wanting to get on and do my own music. But I was a crazy student who used to practise nine hours a day!

“I have a lot of fond memories of going up Oxford Road, going to the Eighth Day cafe to eat, when it had just started. I lived in Whalley Range in a caravan and walked back through Moss Side when I went to gigs in town. And I’d be on Piccadilly Radio in the middle of the night, doing a song every 20 minutes. Yeah, a huge amount of memories.”

Howard soon began performing as a solo artist in the clubs and pubs of High Wycombe. And at one such show he noticed Jed Hoile dancing and performing mime to his songs, in what proved to be the start of a visual partnership that continued until 1987.

But he’s back at his old Manchester (piano) seat of learning on February 18th. So what will that and the other 11 dates on this tour involve? Is it Storytime with Howard Jones?

“Well, yes. It’s the complete opposite of when I go out with the band, really focusing on the song and getting to play things I don’t normally get to, going back through the career and giving a bit of background as to where the songs came from and the stories. It’s a nice experience for me. I get to tell people about where it all started and what happened.”

And it’s just you and a piano?

“Yeah. I do toy with the idea of using these new Roland synths that are emulations of the old Jupiter-8s, and would like to play a bit with those, but thought it more important to just make it as straight-forward as possible. This is about the core of what I do to write songs and sing, so I’m not going to complicate it. That said, the piano’s being generated from my laptop, so there is a little bit of technology!”

R-1944864-1254141257You were something of a pioneer for the synthesiser (something he started experimenting with in 1979), so I guess that could be construed as a little surprising.

“Yeah, I was the first to do the one-man electronic band, and don’t think many people have ever done that, other than Tom Dolby. It was a real case of ‘this is what this technology can do, so you can form a one-man orchestra with the sequencers and drum machines and synths all around you’. And I know that had a big impact on a lot of young artists who were keyboard-orientated”.

Further breaking down those electronic pre-conceptions we might have, you’ve got Elise Yuill guesting, a Devon-based singer-songwriter making waves on the folk circuit, about to release her debut album, with several successful shows in 2015, including a slot at Glastonbury Festival.

“I’ve always tried to support young artists and help them get going, and I’ve known Elise since the first time she ever performed in front of an audience. I encouraged her to bite the bullet and do it and helped her make her first EP, producing that. But lots of people really helped me when I was starting out and I think it’s important that I support young artists where I can.”

I’m guessing your dancer, Jed Hoile, isn’t involved in any of these acoustic shows (he adds, with tongue firmly in cheek).

“Actually, I’ve just had an invite to his 60th birthday, and I’m still in touch. What he does is bring African musicians over and organise workshops, such as drumming, so he’s still involved in music.”

It’s difficult for the current teens out there to understand, but your run of success in the mid-‘80s was quite something. Those were big days for the music industry.

“I suppose I feel really grateful that I had that decade of being high-profile. That really set me up for the rest of my career. I don’t think it would have been right for me to be in that spotlight my whole life though, because that’s not really me.

“In the position I’m in now, I can go out and do my own work without all the other stuff following me around. It’s really privileged position and I appreciate that. I’ve got my own label and can fund my own recordings and be in the driving seat, which is great.”

ENGAGE_snip-e1421168125796I’m guessing that, as opposed to the horror stories we hear about a lot of artists from the ‘50s, ‘60s and ‘70s, you were well looked after. Did you have an eye to business too?

“I had a good manager, who was brilliant business-wise and would treat people well. That was always a priority with me. We’ve got to be nice to everyone. That’s important, and I had great people around me. When I formed my own labels I took much more control of all those things myself. I quite enjoy that side of it … making sure I don’t go bankrupt with too many artistic ideas, production and all that!”

Can you remember what you were doing when you first heard Human’s Lib had topped the album charts?

“Yeah. The week before I did this crazy tour around the whole country, going to record shops everywhere the week it was released. Everywhere I went the whole town ground to a halt! There were so many people trying to get there. It was brilliant, and I got to meet all the fans – thousands of people – and sign their vinyl. It was released on CD as well, but that was just a small part of the sales.”

I put to Howard that I love the image of him watching the October ’83 Top of The Pops’ pre-recorded New Song on a TV perched on an ironing board before a gig at the University of Kent. That seems to makes it all a bit more real. He laughs when I tell him this.

But for all his ‘80s success, there was still that snobbery around the music industry, and he wasn’t truly appreciated outside the record-buying public. In fact, he told The Telegraph’s Marc Lee in 2006, ‘I wasn’t fashionable. I never got good reviews. But I’m proud of the fact that I wasn’t liked by the media… Pop music is so reactionary and bigoted. And I found that what’s ‘cool’ is often very shallow and transient.’

There were clearly a few life lessons for you along the road.

“Absolutely, and people didn’t know the back-story of me being bands since I was 14. It had taken me 14 years to get a record deal – it was no overnight success. But I realised very quickly that you shouldn’t listen to the good reviews and you shouldn’t listen to the bad reviews. You know whether you’ve delivered a good gig – just look out in the audience and see how they’re feeling. Just go on that.

Head On: Howard's over-riding philosophy is to get 'stuck in'

Head On: Howard’s over-riding philosophy is to get ‘stuck in’

“If people want to throw stuff at you, just use it to make you even more determined. I’m still here. I’m still doing it and I’m thinking that a lot of those journalists are probably not!”

All pretty ironic bearing in mind your call to arms in New Song, challenging us to throw off those mental chains, I add, and Howard starts to answer this, but then the image sinks in and he laughs again.

“Yes, but I honestly feel a sense of gratitude that I wasn’t embraced, because it just gives you that fight – I’m not going to change what I do. I’m going to be who I am regardless. And it’s funny that now nearly all the interviews I do are really very pleasant and I have great conversations with journalists. Maybe I’ve overcome that sense of thinking journalists are the enemy!”

Would you say your faith has helped you? Buddhism has been an important part of your life for a long time.

“I’ve been practising for 22 years, so it’s really embedded in my life. Buddhism for me is really about getting stuck in rather than removing oneself from life. It’s about facing the difficult stuff head on, not turning away from it. That’s really stood me in good stead, because if you don’t confront the difficult stuff it just gets worse and mounts up.

“It’s given me a really positive approach to even disastrous things happening if there’s  something I can learn from it and create value from it. There’s also a side of it that’s not just about you, but everyone in your environment. Their happiness is just as important. Buddhism has helped remind me of that every day, and I chant every day.”

Have you made some lasting relationships through your music, and do you keep in touch with many of those ’80s artists, from China Crisis onwards?

“I have quite a few long-term friends, and certainly the China Crisis boys. I love them to bits. Probably my closest friend is Midge Ure, who lives just up the road in Bath. Then there’s (US singer-songwriter) Duncan Sheik, who I work with, and I see others when I do the ’80s festivals, which is also great.”

Top Mate: Midge Ure

Top Mate: Midge Ure

I interviewed Midge Ure for this blog a few months ago (with a link here). He came over very well, with some great tales.

“Yes, and he’s a very humble man, considering his massive achievements. I really like Midge.”

On that front, last summer marked the 30th anniversary of Live Aid. In retrospect, how was the experience for you? Was it a bit of a blur?

“No, it’s crystal clear! The amount of adrenaline that was pumping around my body that day I think helps to embed the memories very deeply. I played just one song, but it was on my own. So it was just me and a piano, and the world out there, and I don’t think anyone would deny it was the biggest gig anyone there was going to do.

“I was very nervous but went out there and started a bit fast, but got to the chorus and the whole of Wembley joined in. It was just like being lifted up – an incredible experience. From then on I started to enjoy the day.

“I was actually going to do another song, and my backing singers, Afrodiziak, came over from America with me and were dead excited to be playing. Then word came that it had all run over and we weren’t going to be able to do the song, but backstage we were rehearsing – a capella, the four of us – and David Bowie and Pete Townshend came out of their dressing rooms and listened to us perform. So for the girls, who were so disappointed, in the end it might have been better to say that was the audience we played to!”

Howard told me this tale just a few days after news of Bowie’s death broke, and he shared his thoughts.

Utterly Fearless: David Bowie (Image: New York Theatre Workshop)

Utterly Fearless: David Bowie (Image: New York Theatre Workshop)

“Very sad. I was hugely influenced by Bowie, but it was more of an ideological thing and his utter fearlessness. If you’re going to be a pop star, then go for it. Don’t be part-time about it. Show people that it’s great to be who you are to express yourself fully, and don’t be afraid. And when you get the sh*t thrown at you, keep going!”

I have to say, you made me feel old when I realised you hit 60 last year. You seem to be doing very well on it though.

“Hitting 60 was a big moment for me, because I realised there’s probably a limited amount of time where I’m going to be on top of my game, and I’m not going to go on beyond that. So now, while I can really do it well, I’m really going for it. I’m doing more shows than ever, like in America last year. While you can still do it, just do it! There will come a time when you can’t.”

While we’re more familiar with Howard’s first three albums, there have been several more since, right up to last year’s Engage. So where might we start if we’re catching up?

“It’s difficult for me to answer that, but those first five albums I did for Warner Brothers showed the progression in writing, and since –in the detox years – I’ve experimented and each album has its own character. Some are very acoustic, some are very electronic, and Engage was a multi-media experiment for me.

“I’ve also just done songs for the Eddie the Eagle film, working with Gary Barlow. He asked me to write a couple of songs that were of the time, with the film set in the ’80s. He wanted songs with the language of the ‘80s but new, and I’ve incorporated the story of Eddie into those. And it’s quite nice to do an album – including those songs – using the ’80s theme, just for fun, before I do the next ambitious thing.

“It was kind of liberating, because I know that language so well. I’m not trying to break new ground, particularly, but to capture a time. It felt very natural and like a really good excuse to be a bit retro!”

Howard’s played his part in the whole ‘80s festival circuit, to great success. But that doesn’t seem to be his way, I put to him – just dwelling on the past.

“I love doing all those festivals where you just do half an hour or so, and it’s such a great atmosphere. People really enjoy it. At the same time, I have to be doing new things, otherwise I’ll go crazy as an artist.”

Light Entertainment: Howard Jones

Light Entertainment: Howard Jones

There have been other side-projects. For example, you were running a vegetarian restaurant at one stage, I believe.

“I hardly ran it! I financed it.  I was there about four times. That was in New York.”

Was there ever a chance of the proverbial ‘proper job’, or did you always have it in mind where you were going with your life?

“There was never any question. It was always going to be music. I was pretty strong-willed as a child and drove everyone mad in the house. I mean, imagine – at 7.30 in the morning I’d be thrashing around at the piano in a tiny house. What they had to put up with! I am very grateful.”

It’s certainly been a dream career, doing all your own work and writing and performing with everyone from Ringo Starr and Sandie Shaw to Midge Ure. Are you still recording in The Shed? Only that sounds like every bloke’s dream, isn’t it?

“That was when I was in Maidenhead, and while it was called The Shed, it did have an SSL (mixing) desk in it at one point – so it was a bit more than that! Now I have a room in the house that looks out on the Somerset Levels, with all my synths and my Steinway. It’s a songwriter’s heaven really – a great room to work in. And that’s important, I think, to be inspired and have lots of light.”

For readers in the North West, An Evening with Howard Jones (The Songs, The Piano & The Stories) calls at Liverpool’s Epstein Theatre on Friday, February 12th (tickets £23 via 0844 888 4411 or online here) and Manchester’s Royal Northern College of Music on Thursday, February 18th (tickets £22.50 via 0161 907 5200 or online here).

Further UK dates: London Union Chapel (February 5th), Winchester Theatre Royal (February 6th), Exeter Phoenix (February 7th), Glasgow Oran Mor (February 10th), Gateshead The Sage (February 11th), Worcester Huntingdon Hall (February 13th), Sheffield City Hall (February 14th), Leeds City Varieties (February 19th), Lincoln Drill Hall (February 20th), and Bury St Edmunds Apex Arts Centre (February 21st).

And for further information on Howard Jones, head to his website, while keeping track of him via his Facebook and Twitter links.  

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4 Responses to Me and Mr Jones – the Howard Jones interview

  1. Diane says:

    Splendid interview. I really enjoyed it. Howard Jones a really incredible artist.Thanks for sharing.

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